Comments on: What now for the Talbot Gateway Project? http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/ Shouting the news that Blackpool is back! Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:55:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Harold Gokdogan http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1539 Harold Gokdogan Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:33:34 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1539 Fair enough Jack, like you I want to see the line reopened;its just that PWRS are the last people who should do it.If NR thought they were good enough,PWRS would have had that line years ago, insted of removing weeds, which is what they have really done, allbeit with petty criminal labour, lol Fair enough Jack, like you I want to see the line reopened;its just that PWRS are the last people who should do it.If NR thought they were good enough,PWRS would have had that line years ago, insted of removing weeds, which is what they have really done, allbeit with petty criminal labour, lol

]]> By: Philtheone http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1516 Philtheone Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:52:01 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1516 Great comment Jason. You're right, it's not that brave, and according to Cllr Callow it has no money. Unless you're the Pleasure Beach or Sandcastle. Great comment Jason. You’re right, it’s not that brave, and according to Cllr Callow it has no money.

Unless you’re the Pleasure Beach or Sandcastle.

]]> By: Harold Gokdogan http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1510 Harold Gokdogan Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:33:18 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1510 This is why callow has to go,the rate of regeneration here is terrible. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-10848815 This is why callow has to go,the rate of regeneration here is terrible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-10848815

]]> By: Phil Burrow http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1505 Phil Burrow Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:22:28 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1505 Well I have just read that the Talbot Gateway has now been axed down to two hotels from four! http://philtheone.com/2010/08/theyve-scaled-it-back-again/ Well I have just read that the Talbot Gateway has now been axed down to two hotels from four!

http://philtheone.com/2010/08/theyve-scaled-it-back-again/

]]> By: Jason http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1503 Jason Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:56:56 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1503 Another discussion of what would turn Blackpool around we need this and that lets build away and Blackpool will be top again. One thing we can all agree on none of this will happen without private investment it would be simply unfair for rate payers to foot all the cost. So how does Blackpool get these private investors? Well it sad but true to say serious investors only invest in dynamic areas and Blackpool today isn’t in any shape or form dynamic. So what Blackpool council need to do is make some brave choices and some of these choices will fail and some will cost a lot of money for little or no return. It does make sense for Blackpool to reduce hotels (guesthouses) it is simply supply and demand. If demand stays the same and supply drops the remaining hotels can charge more money for rooms and then rather then just charging enough to live they can charge more and hopefully put some of the profit back into the hotel. This does have to be done Blackpool doesn’t need to get more press about how bad its hotels are. The council do need to dig into the pockets and start seriously improving Blackpool they need to take gambles and not worry about short term profits. I think the idea of the TG being forgotten and the massive car parking land across the road from the station being turned into a park is great. Now there are problems with this. Traffic would have to be redirected there would have to be a security presence 24 hrs and they would have to be careful of what is put in there so it doesn’t take over from Stanley park buts complements it. This will take some money but can you imagine the young family getting of a train and seeing a child friendly park straight in front of them and the kids saying “can we go there” as the old saying goes you don’t get a second chance to make a first impression. We have the WG which can be gutted and anything could be put in there and again short term profits shouldn’t be an issue it should be viewed as a way to generate interest in Blackpool. We should have a conference centre every resort does so Blackpool should but Blackpool should be careful of who uses it (this is nothing to do with political views) Blackpool does not need the publicity of right wingers fight left wingers in its streets its just bad press and the old saying “any press is good press” is not true. This is the time for the council to invest (with the recession private investors will not) and when the recession ends Blackpool would be in the ideal position to go to these investors and say “ we are ready to burst into life invest in us and see the profits role in”. Having said all this its not going to happen Blackpool council isn’t that brave. Another discussion of what would turn Blackpool around we need this and that lets build away and Blackpool will be top again. One thing we can all agree on none of this will happen without private investment it would be simply unfair for rate payers to foot all the cost. So how does Blackpool get these private investors? Well it sad but true to say serious investors only invest in dynamic areas and Blackpool today isn’t in any shape or form dynamic. So what Blackpool council need to do is make some brave choices and some of these choices will fail and some will cost a lot of money for little or no return. It does make sense for Blackpool to reduce hotels (guesthouses) it is simply supply and demand. If demand stays the same and supply drops the remaining hotels can charge more money for rooms and then rather then just charging enough to live they can charge more and hopefully put some of the profit back into the hotel. This does have to be done Blackpool doesn’t need to get more press about how bad its hotels are. The council do need to dig into the pockets and start seriously improving Blackpool they need to take gambles and not worry about short term profits. I think the idea of the TG being forgotten and the massive car parking land across the road from the station being turned into a park is great. Now there are problems with this. Traffic would have to be redirected there would have to be a security presence 24 hrs and they would have to be careful of what is put in there so it doesn’t take over from Stanley park buts complements it. This will take some money but can you imagine the young family getting of a train and seeing a child friendly park straight in front of them and the kids saying “can we go there” as the old saying goes you don’t get a second chance to make a first impression. We have the WG which can be gutted and anything could be put in there and again short term profits shouldn’t be an issue it should be viewed as a way to generate interest in Blackpool. We should have a conference centre every resort does so Blackpool should but Blackpool should be careful of who uses it (this is nothing to do with political views) Blackpool does not need the publicity of right wingers fight left wingers in its streets its just bad press and the old saying “any press is good press” is not true. This is the time for the council to invest (with the recession private investors will not) and when the recession ends Blackpool would be in the ideal position to go to these investors and say “ we are ready to burst into life invest in us and see the profits role in”.
Having said all this its not going to happen Blackpool council isn’t that brave.

]]> By: Young Blackpool Resident http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1499 Young Blackpool Resident Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:47:56 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1499 In contrast to my previous damning statement, I do honestly believe Blackpool is no necessarily completely doomed. Having worked in the Opera House for a few years, it's clear to see that people will still come to Blackpool. When quality (or should I say more mainstream, popular) shows come to the Winter Gardens, like Ricky Gervais, Steve Coogan, Russell Brand, Elbow, Paul Weller, Jimmy Carr etc etc the place is absolutely packed. Having to rip all these people's tickets and serve them ice creams etc, you honestly hear every regional accent, surely meaning that alot of the audience have travelled from all over the country, assumingly to make a weekend of it. This clearly shows that people will come to the town, if there is quality people will use it, this surely should be an incentive to the council to drop the shite that's on 90% of the time, and now that they own pretty much every live venue in the town with the tower, piers and winter gardens to try and make sure they have A list acts, as people will come to the town from iles around to see them. There is of course the question why would such successes come to a town with such a reputation for being, quite frankly, awful. This has only come about in the past 20 years, i'm sure with the right investment and as i mentioned before an emphasis on aesthetics, more and more quality acts will want to come to Blackpool, the knock on effects being enormous. With the new sea wall as well (which i have to say looks great, and is proof that the council can do something properly, Cleveleys for example looks fantastic) i'm sure it wouldn't be too much of a task to have open air gigs etc. This also might bring a bit of culture to an otherwise void of culture. It's such a shame to see such beautiful theatre's like the Grand playing host to some utter shite. In contrast to my previous damning statement, I do honestly believe Blackpool is no necessarily completely doomed.

Having worked in the Opera House for a few years, it’s clear to see that people will still come to Blackpool. When quality (or should I say more mainstream, popular) shows come to the Winter Gardens, like Ricky Gervais, Steve Coogan, Russell Brand, Elbow, Paul Weller, Jimmy Carr etc etc the place is absolutely packed. Having to rip all these people’s tickets and serve them ice creams etc, you honestly hear every regional accent, surely meaning that alot of the audience have travelled from all over the country, assumingly to make a weekend of it.

This clearly shows that people will come to the town, if there is quality people will use it, this surely should be an incentive to the council to drop the shite that’s on 90% of the time, and now that they own pretty much every live venue in the town with the tower, piers and winter gardens to try and make sure they have A list acts, as people will come to the town from iles around to see them.

There is of course the question why would such successes come to a town with such a reputation for being, quite frankly, awful. This has only come about in the past 20 years, i’m sure with the right investment and as i mentioned before an emphasis on aesthetics, more and more quality acts will want to come to Blackpool, the knock on effects being enormous. With the new sea wall as well (which i have to say looks great, and is proof that the council can do something properly, Cleveleys for example looks fantastic) i’m sure it wouldn’t be too much of a task to have open air gigs etc. This also might bring a bit of culture to an otherwise void of culture. It’s such a shame to see such beautiful theatre’s like the Grand playing host to some utter shite.

]]> By: True Blackpudlian http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1473 True Blackpudlian Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:10:12 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1473 Excellent comment John Bickerstaffe. I agree there is a massive surplus of sub-standard hotels in Blackpool, what we need is quality. I also agree on the conference centre. I have said myself many times a stand alone conference centre would be a white elephant I feel. People seem to think, build a conference centre and suddenly the political parties will come rushing back. It would also offer no benefit to residents or visitors. What we need is a multi-purpose events venue like the Liverpool Echo to attract big name acts and events. That would actually benefit local people and visitors. Excellent comment John Bickerstaffe. I agree there is a massive surplus of sub-standard hotels in Blackpool, what we need is quality. I also agree on the conference centre. I have said myself many times a stand alone conference centre would be a white elephant I feel. People seem to think, build a conference centre and suddenly the political parties will come rushing back. It would also offer no benefit to residents or visitors. What we need is a multi-purpose events venue like the Liverpool Echo to attract big name acts and events. That would actually benefit local people and visitors.

]]> By: Frustrated http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 Frustrated Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:10:35 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1471 I wouldn't say all the regeneration isn't good. In fact it's the Talbot Gateway that seems the really bad idea and all the rest does have good points. It's hard to attract any other business when let's face it 99% of Blackpool's land mass is probably already built on. The artwork on South Prom is actually quite good - but I think you do need the guide to understand it properly and they didn't put the info on notices next to the artwork, you have to pick one up from Solaris IF you know it exists. Supporting the Pleasure Beach, Tower complex and Winter Gardens is again probably a very good thing too. The lights in the centre are quite good. Blackpool's problems stem from so many issues. Too many people with no work for them. Too much housing to attract every benefit claimant that remembers liking coming to Blackpool for their holidays. Too many B&Bs for people to spend their redundancies on - with no knowledge of the hotel sector, nor much idea what sort of standard others are offering elsewhere for the same money. No room to build new businesses on - and therefore very high prices compared to elsewhere before the coastal location premium's added. Poor transport links for a town dependent on it to get their main source of income (tourism) in (also connected to the land mass built on already). I wouldn’t say all the regeneration isn’t good. In fact it’s the Talbot Gateway that seems the really bad idea and all the rest does have good points. It’s hard to attract any other business when let’s face it 99% of Blackpool’s land mass is probably already built on. The artwork on South Prom is actually quite good – but I think you do need the guide to understand it properly and they didn’t put the info on notices next to the artwork, you have to pick one up from Solaris IF you know it exists. Supporting the Pleasure Beach, Tower complex and Winter Gardens is again probably a very good thing too. The lights in the centre are quite good.

Blackpool’s problems stem from so many issues. Too many people with no work for them. Too much housing to attract every benefit claimant that remembers liking coming to Blackpool for their holidays. Too many B&Bs for people to spend their redundancies on – with no knowledge of the hotel sector, nor much idea what sort of standard others are offering elsewhere for the same money. No room to build new businesses on – and therefore very high prices compared to elsewhere before the coastal location premium’s added. Poor transport links for a town dependent on it to get their main source of income (tourism) in (also connected to the land mass built on already).

]]> By: Harold Gokdogan http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1468 Harold Gokdogan Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:03:40 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1468 There is a letter in tonights Gasjet from an Autistic society calling for such conference facilities and in addition the EDL could use a conference centre instead of having to march along the sea front, lol There is a letter in tonights Gasjet from an Autistic society calling for such conference facilities and in addition the EDL could use a conference centre instead of having to march along the sea front, lol

]]> By: John Bickerstaffe http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/2010/07/28/what-now-for-the-talbot-gateway-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1465 John Bickerstaffe Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:36:35 +0000 http://blackpoolaloud.org.uk/?p=2813#comment-1465 Aww, shucks! Aww, shucks!

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